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the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000 having their voices heard. what the right to work bill will do will essentially make it an option for an employee to join a union and still get those benefits. supporters say that will be good for michigan, bringing in business, while opponents say while it may bring in business employee wages will be brought down due to collective bargaining. this controversy started when the governor, governor rick snyder, said for a bill comes across his desk, he will sign it. that prompted the house and senate to begin their legislation, bringing out protest
the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000...
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they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to people who say, let's cut the salaries and outsource your job, everybody's only about profit and it is not about making sure that employers-- >>> you want the government -- [overlapping dialogue] >> it's called forced association. our founders would be in shock understanding that to get a particular job, you had to join an association that you may fundamentally disagree with, as the cost of employment. it is forced association. it is not protected by the first amendment. it is forced association. the right-to-work laws don't eliminate the unions-- >>> that's right -- let me bring up one point. a lot of good unions in de
they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to...
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this is not favorable to unions. this is a bad thing for unions and there was a lot of heat. i would also say the americans for prosperity, the head came out and said at tea party rallies, we unfortunate had violence. i think we need to fairly represent. >> bill: tea party rallies, that's true. there was no violence that we know of and you know why -- >> no, no, there is a lot of cited cases. >> bill: marjorie, i'm a little frustrated with you tonight and you know i like you. please tomorrow, forward me the video of violence at the tea party rallies and i will put it on. >> florida. >> bill: no, no. you, marjorie clifton, you forward that video to us and we will put it on tomorrow. >> can i send you family video, too? >> bill: family footage. next up, a return to karl rove. he has thoughts on hillary clinton running for president four years from now. later, barbara walters and dennis miller on president obama and we are coming right back >> bill: in the impact segment, there is no question the republican party is regrouping, or something, after getting hammered in the electio
this is not favorable to unions. this is a bad thing for unions and there was a lot of heat. i would also say the americans for prosperity, the head came out and said at tea party rallies, we unfortunate had violence. i think we need to fairly represent. >> bill: tea party rallies, that's true. there was no violence that we know of and you know why -- >> no, no, there is a lot of cited cases. >> bill: marjorie, i'm a little frustrated with you tonight and you know i like you....
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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for...
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the teaching union is the heart of the democratic party. this is, in particular, is a teacher union in which poor black and hispanic kids in los angeles and ok land and san francisco school systems are being denied a good education by this very union. they will go on strike if you try to connect performance with reward. half the children in the schools, poor black and hispanics whose parents can not afford to put them in private schools which is what everyone else is doing, half of them drop out before they graduate. what of the ones who graduate are functionally illiterate. they will never get a decent job. >>eric: david, let's stay on the video. the teachers union puts this together and in the video they talk about the amount, the bailout, specifically, that money was spent to rich people bailed out rich bankers and the rich stock market. hopefully we have a full screen of this. look at money that came from that stimulus package that they reference in the video, the department of education, $53 billion. >>guest: it is going into the pocke
the teaching union is the heart of the democratic party. this is, in particular, is a teacher union in which poor black and hispanic kids in los angeles and ok land and san francisco school systems are being denied a good education by this very union. they will go on strike if you try to connect performance with reward. half the children in the schools, poor black and hispanics whose parents can not afford to put them in private schools which is what everyone else is doing, half of them drop...
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there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the
there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it...
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the union, right? all those great things bernard thinks, you can join the union, or in a right-to-work state, you cannot. >> absolutely. this gives the workers the freedom to choose what they want and if they want to join a union. to go back to what he said, that this would be something that the voters will have retribution against the governor, they had an opportunity this past november to actually vote against right to work with protect our jobs which was a ballot measure that would have had an amendment to block right to work as an amendment to the state constitution. they rejected that, 57-42. in a state where they know unions, where unions were born, they rejected the ability to block this right-to-work amendment. so this shows that the public wants to have the opportunity to attract more businesses to the state and to have a more friendly environment. megyn: what do you think, bernard, john fund -- previously of "the wall street journal," now he writes for the national review -- was on our air ea
the union, right? all those great things bernard thinks, you can join the union, or in a right-to-work state, you cannot. >> absolutely. this gives the workers the freedom to choose what they want and if they want to join a union. to go back to what he said, that this would be something that the voters will have retribution against the governor, they had an opportunity this past november to actually vote against right to work with protect our jobs which was a ballot measure that would...
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>>neil: if you are a non-union member you benefit from the union contracts. >>guest: yes, the union gets you better wages and you don't have to participate in supporting the union, and the enresult of that is the union loses power and it loses their ability to bargain for better wages for workers. >>neil: what happens now? i have been trying to get a sense if a deal will be made toward the end of the year and benefitten your rules here, they have to have the structure and outline of a deal by friday in order to get things marked up, and out committee and to conference and votes and all of this stuff i don't understand and the deadline is not the end of the year but this week. >>guest: it can be byzantine process but it can take time to get it converted. your timeframe is right to get it done before christmas but there is a very big chance we are talking about closer to the end of the year if we get an agreement. i think there is better than 50/50 chance we will. there are a lot of hurdles to cross. >>neil: nancy pelosi was criticizing speaker boehner, and spe
>>neil: if you are a non-union member you benefit from the union contracts. >>guest: yes, the union gets you better wages and you don't have to participate in supporting the union, and the enresult of that is the union loses power and it loses their ability to bargain for better wages for workers. >>neil: what happens now? i have been trying to get a sense if a deal will be made toward the end of the year and benefitten your rules here, they have to have the structure and...
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back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the five." thank you for watching. >> dana: on that note. >> greg: unbelievable. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. tonight, michigan, the home of the american automobile industry, state that has been dominated by big labor unions, is now a right to work state. michigan's republican governor has just signed a bill in to law ending union ability to force workers to pay dues. february they are not in the union. democrats are predicting a warning of blood in the streets. here is what the governor said moments ago about why he supported the legislation. >>
back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the...
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or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's been done, lame duck, but you're not resolutely opposed to the law. >> i'm willing to listen to all sides of the issue. that's what our founding facts envisioned when they created the committee process and the debate and checks and balances. everyone should be offended that we were all cut out of this. >> greta: i say very tongue in cheek that you have a different procedure than in wisconsin. we're not going to see the state democrats senators hit the road like they did in wisconsin. >> unfortunately we don't have the option of shutting t
or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's...
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the unions are not saying you have to join the union. whether or not non-union members the reason they have to pay in, reason they have to pay in is because unions then negotiate and get stuff that the non-union members benefit from. they get the benefit of what the unions did yet they don't have to pay in. that is really what the issue is here. >> to me its an issue of common sense. if this union is so great and they are going to give me incredible benefits and incredible wages, of course, i would want to pay into that. there are many people the unions in fact do not do that for them. they don't agree with the way the unions operate. how they spend their money. the money they actually are mandated to pay in, they go and support candidates and issues that these people don't like. an individual should have the right to be able no know where their money is what it is going for and not being mandated to pay union. >> you are not mandated to be in the union in order to keep your job. >> you are mandated to pay the dues. >> you don't lose you
the unions are not saying you have to join the union. whether or not non-union members the reason they have to pay in, reason they have to pay in is because unions then negotiate and get stuff that the non-union members benefit from. they get the benefit of what the unions did yet they don't have to pay in. that is really what the issue is here. >> to me its an issue of common sense. if this union is so great and they are going to give me incredible benefits and incredible wages, of...
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it obscures the fact of how wealthy the unions are. from the city journal article, in the last decade, the teachers unions spent more on politics in the last decade than the oil industry and the pharmaceutical industry and the tobacco industry combined. >> greta: don't they worry with the bad situation economically in california, and they're in a really tough situation, don't you think they worry that in 2011 they were 5400 who have pensions of over $100,000, if you look at the numbers and everything else that's going on in the state, i mean, it is in such deep trouble, wouldn't you think they would be terrified that they're running people out of the state and losing any tax base? of course, they did just recently vote to raise taxes. >> look at what happened in wisconsin. it's not as if public sector unions said oh, gosh, we should just take these reforms and not roprotest. it was a fight to the death in wisconsin. >> greta: even that was a push. a negotiated settlement where it works with both sides is the best way to do it. >> that'
it obscures the fact of how wealthy the unions are. from the city journal article, in the last decade, the teachers unions spent more on politics in the last decade than the oil industry and the pharmaceutical industry and the tobacco industry combined. >> greta: don't they worry with the bad situation economically in california, and they're in a really tough situation, don't you think they worry that in 2011 they were 5400 who have pensions of over $100,000, if you look at the numbers...
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service employee's union. and other unions through the the country. governor malloy of connecticut joined the unions on the picket lines. that's what healthbridge systems is up against. and as they exercise their rights under the constitution and under labor law, federal and contractual. megyn: we see michigan sort of the birth place of the labor union movement. now it's a right to work state. companies don't like to be unionized. they object to it. more and more states are allowing them to offer choice to the employees. is it because of things like this? once you get that union in there, you have almost no choice as employer when it comes to trying to get rid of an employee you deem problematic or manipulate wages. viewers can decide whether that's good or bad. >> the americans for prosperity we saw their tent torn down by union members and supporters in lansing, michigan. you see people being beaten by these supporters. this is the excess that led to the reduction in organized labor to only 7 1/2% of the national labor force. if they were not employ
service employee's union. and other unions through the the country. governor malloy of connecticut joined the unions on the picket lines. that's what healthbridge systems is up against. and as they exercise their rights under the constitution and under labor law, federal and contractual. megyn: we see michigan sort of the birth place of the labor union movement. now it's a right to work state. companies don't like to be unionized. they object to it. more and more states are allowing them to...
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all these unions had bankrupted these companies. all these car companies are leaving, going to foreign soil, going to southern states, where it's more reasonable and accommodating, they don't have the union influence. isn't that true? >> no, absolutely not. the industry has come back due to collective barring e bargaining. 200,000 more people in michigan are working in manufacturing thanks to collective bargaining. the president as you said was in redford today, a suburb of detroit, to announce 115 new manufacturing jobs. >> sean: keep living your dream, and they'll keep knocking down every building in town. thanks for being with us. >>> those deejays break their silence about the suicide of the nurse. o. >> sean: new developments in the royal hoax that led to a tragic suicide across the bond. of you australian deejays have broken their silence three days after learning about the nurse's tragic death who answered their royal prank call to the hospital. it started tuesday of last week when the two shock jocks pretended to be the quee
all these unions had bankrupted these companies. all these car companies are leaving, going to foreign soil, going to southern states, where it's more reasonable and accommodating, they don't have the union influence. isn't that true? >> no, absolutely not. the industry has come back due to collective barring e bargaining. 200,000 more people in michigan are working in manufacturing thanks to collective bargaining. the president as you said was in redford today, a suburb of detroit, to...
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reindeer are a member of a union. transportation reindeer union of america. >> dana: rudolph was a scab. >> bob: he was. he was a drunk and game and took over -- >> dana: the elves were terrible. >> kimberly: you guys. >> bob: are you awake? >> kimberly: i have been awake. okay? >> greg: go to eric. [ laughter ] sitting there patiently wondering what just happened to this show. santa democrat or republican? >> eric: clearly a republican. he's carrying, loving, compassionate. all things associated with -- >> dana: old fat white guy. perfect. >> eric: the conservative movement. [ laughter ] >> kimberly: carrying, i thought. like a weapon? >> bob: for sure. >> kimberly: like santa the packing heat. >> greg: do you think the brownies that john gibson gave us earlier today had something in them. >> dana: trying to sabotage this. >> greg: if you could formulate a coherent sentence. what do you make of the findings? >> dana: this is what i decide about christmas. i agree with you. we should celebrate this every three years.
reindeer are a member of a union. transportation reindeer union of america. >> dana: rudolph was a scab. >> bob: he was. he was a drunk and game and took over -- >> dana: the elves were terrible. >> kimberly: you guys. >> bob: are you awake? >> kimberly: i have been awake. okay? >> greg: go to eric. [ laughter ] sitting there patiently wondering what just happened to this show. santa democrat or republican? >> eric: clearly a republican. he's...
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union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else is -- you're a big group that go on people's houses in wall street and bully those people and trespass. and overwhelm them and -- >> bob: wall street does that. >> andrea: where are the unions? >> dana: the unions did have an effective and important role in past. but i also think that other -- as companies have had to evolve, the unions need to evolve as well. they are getting terrible advice right now and there are ways to work with the governor, what only has their best interest in mind. what else does he want? why else would he do it? why? why? >> eric: >> bob: it brings people in to t
union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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unions look bad. you can see in the video that there was a set up for food and a caterer actually inside of the tent. clinton tarver who lost his equipment. he is an africa-american and he said a number of racial slurs were thrown his way. they said he deserved what he got. he -- the community raised money to replace his equipment and off set his losses. no charges so far have been filed. >> brian: it is funny, we have video . wounder if steven crowder steps up . this is it santy being sensored we report, you decide. >> gretchen: you still believe in the american dream of owning a home. what $125,000 can buy you in different parts of the country. >> brian: biggest difference was frosty. >> steve: we heard that. ♪ ♪ this family used capital one venture miles to come home for the holidays. that's double miles you can actually use... sadly, their brother's white christmas just got "blacked out." [ brother ] but it's the family party! really jingles your bells, doesn't it? my gift to you! the capital
unions look bad. you can see in the video that there was a set up for food and a caterer actually inside of the tent. clinton tarver who lost his equipment. he is an africa-american and he said a number of racial slurs were thrown his way. they said he deserved what he got. he -- the community raised money to replace his equipment and off set his losses. no charges so far have been filed. >> brian: it is funny, we have video . wounder if steven crowder steps up . this is it santy being...
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and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is about to be released some liberals are speaking out and taking aim at what they're calling the glorification of torture in this movie. here is a clip from "zero dark thiry". >> can i be honest with you? i am bad news. i'm not your friend. i'm not going to help you. i'm going to break you. any questions? martha: i think a lot of people are looking forward to seeing this and seeing how it depicts the raid that killed usama bin laden. a huge moment in the history of our country of course. i'm joined by pete hegseth, u.s. army veteran and ceo of concerned veterans for america. >> thank y
and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is...
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this can save unions. it actually introduces competition to unions. you might actually have to do a better job. you might actually have to ab do indicate for -- abdicate for better policies. something tells me you didn't think the violence went far enough. >> i don't understand why you want everyone exploited. we fought so hard to get everyone out of the coal mines and to the working world. it reminds me of billy brag when it says the union forever defending arise. down with the black legs, workers unite. >> it is hard to explain to a crying. ♪ why daddy won't go back ♪ the family suffers but it hurts me more ♪ to hear a scab ♪ say sergeant jack ♪ >> let it wash over you. >> we fought and died for these unions, and now they are here and no one can take it. well guess what. it is time for workers' rights. >> they are not even dealing with collective bargaining. they want the option of not joining a union. >> but who gets the benefits 1234* the scabs, the black legs, they come in and they get all of the benefits that the union fought for, and
this can save unions. it actually introduces competition to unions. you might actually have to do a better job. you might actually have to ab do indicate for -- abdicate for better policies. something tells me you didn't think the violence went far enough. >> i don't understand why you want everyone exploited. we fought so hard to get everyone out of the coal mines and to the working world. it reminds me of billy brag when it says the union forever defending arise. down with the black...
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unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies 1.7 percent during the tough years between torques 6 and 2011 the economies contracted an average of .1 percent of the year during that time. all but mississippi do not have the right to work laws. they have economic growth forecast. for most improved that goes to indiana which jumped 16 spots this year that is interesting because they became a right to work state. >> diane macedo from the fox business network. 15 minutes before the hour. one of the major issues facing the fiscal cliff entitlement programs. and now some of them are at their highest levels
unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies...
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dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that decided to do i find it interesting though in the election, michigan people voted for president obama in that state, but they are fractured in that sense. they voted for something he is violently against . he was in the stump in michigan saying you should never let this happen and it is bad for the voters. >> sometimes the voters are more sophisticated than we give credit for. clearly the democratic party nationally and in michigan favor collective bargaining but voters in michigan decided to have individual rights. >> gretchen: but will
dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that...
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wants to be a member of the union or wants to support the political beliefs of the union, has to fork over the money. it means less money, less power. they need this power. they need it for their political influence, to demand more concessions from employers, and it's always been about power. it's quite interesting that a lot of these same union heavies were very quite on globalization. well, now globalization has taken hold and american companies have a difficult time competing with these lower wages offered in other countries with fewer regulations. everyone has to compete and american companies are often at a disadvantage. but the unions weren't really out there talking about globalization. in fact many of them welcomed it. megyn: it' tough to see how go into a unionized shop in michigan with these folks who are unhappy and choose not to join the union even those law now allows that. they seemed very determined not to lose the power that they have. >> it's about image. they want the image to be we are here in such big numbers. even though a lot of them were from out of state. the t
wants to be a member of the union or wants to support the political beliefs of the union, has to fork over the money. it means less money, less power. they need this power. they need it for their political influence, to demand more concessions from employers, and it's always been about power. it's quite interesting that a lot of these same union heavies were very quite on globalization. well, now globalization has taken hold and american companies have a difficult time competing with these...
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questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from impartial rulings to a pro-union bias. we look at the agency. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now have back to fork and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." barbara walters revealed her most fascinating person picked last night. we'll tell you our thoughts in a moment. but first, the list inspired me along with "time" magazine upcoming person of the year naming to hit the streets to ask americans who they think deserves the title. who do you think should be person of the year? >> harry from one direction. >> eli manning. >> the president. >> i think mitt romney. i think. i mean it's hard to be the runner up. >> santa claus. >> good one! >> santa claus is the person of the year. >> do you know that a 4-year-old just gave me that exact samenance >> great mindsamenance -- same answer. >> great minds think alike. >> andrea: someone said i should be person of the year for putting up with you. last night, barbara walters went down her list of fascinating peo
questions about whether the national labor relations board has gone from impartial rulings to a pro-union bias. we look at the agency. "special report" from washington starts at 6:00 eastern. now have back to fork and my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back to "the five." barbara walters revealed her most fascinating person picked last night. we'll tell you our thoughts in a moment. but first, the list inspired me along with...
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. >> he decided to fire up the labor union base. about a republican pushbe for right to work laws in the state. >> what we shouldn't do, what we shouldn't doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the employees cheered when the president took aim at the republican governor and legislature. >> we are talking about giving you the right to work for less money. >> the president called if union dispute and the fiscal cliff manufacturered crisis as he sounded a pessimistic tone about the possibility of another recession. >> people will spend nearly $200 billion less than they otherwise would spend. consumer spend willing go down. that means you have to let the customers, businesses get fewer profits. they hire fewer workers and it's a downward spiral. >> some republicans are more hopeful of a deal andialing the party to give the president tax hike hikes in exchange for leverage on entitlement cut. >> the focus shifts to entitlement. maybe it puts us in a place where we can do something that saved the
. >> he decided to fire up the labor union base. about a republican pushbe for right to work laws in the state. >> what we shouldn't do, what we shouldn't doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the employees cheered when the president took aim at the republican governor and legislature. >> we are talking about giving you the right to work for less money. >> the president called if union dispute and the fiscal cliff...
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because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but befo
because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means...
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anyone in in america should be able to choose to support a union and choose not to. >> that's big news, potentially for economically in michigan, and means a lot more companies might be willing to locate in michigan. and remember, if you have your own hit or miss, please send it to us at jer@foxnews.com and follow us on twitter@jer on fnc. that's it for the show and thanks to my ponl and all of you for watching, i'm paul gigot, we hope to see you here next week. >> on fox news watch. >> coach ryan,'s got a problem. he has three quarterbacks. the same problem the republicans are having. who is the quarterback, mr. president. >> the quarterback on the democratic side is the president of the united states. he keeps throwing interceptions and we're moving backwards and backward and backward. >> jon: congress doing battle over the budget. republicans say they want to cut government spending and democrats say they want to do all they can to push the president's plan, but is his plan good for the country or just good for him? and do the media know the >> a vast majority of our major media in
anyone in in america should be able to choose to support a union and choose not to. >> that's big news, potentially for economically in michigan, and means a lot more companies might be willing to locate in michigan. and remember, if you have your own hit or miss, please send it to us at jer@foxnews.com and follow us on twitter@jer on fnc. that's it for the show and thanks to my ponl and all of you for watching, i'm paul gigot, we hope to see you here next week. >> on fox news...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay competitive. >> astonishing this is all happening in the heart of union land, historically. i will add to charles, because it's the lightning round that ohio is next possibility. harder go there. it would have to be done by ballot initiative, weakening the union. >> john: five seconds or less. >> i agree with everything they said and the key is eliminating the dues check off on the public sector union of michigan because that is where the democratic party gets its money. >> john: senate voted for. see where that goes. thank you all. that is it for the panel. stay tuned to see how dogs are getting around these days. i've worked hard to build my family. and also to build my career. so i'm not about to always let my frequent bladder urges, or the
weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay competitive. >> astonishing this is all happening in the heart of union land, historically. i will add to charles, because it's the lightning round that ohio is next possibility. harder go there. it would have to be...
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it's the teachers union. it's the california federation of teachers that really needs to be called to the carpet. it's not just the taxpayers and parents who are sending their kids to school in california that need to be up in arms about this. i know that there are so many decent, hard working teachers out there who are right thinking who abhor the message that is being subsidized with their taxes and also with their deuce that are being confiscated by these big labor big business organizations. >> sean: here's the scary part. i'm not making a comparison. if you look, it is dehumanizing people to such an extent that basically saying successful people, and it lies about almost everything, that they're evil, that they're bad, that -- >> of course. >> sean: to me, this could have a really negative effect, and when did we become a country that does this? i never viewed that -- go ahead. >> the problem is that this kind of radicalization has been main streamed and has been calcified in government schools for decad
it's the teachers union. it's the california federation of teachers that really needs to be called to the carpet. it's not just the taxpayers and parents who are sending their kids to school in california that need to be up in arms about this. i know that there are so many decent, hard working teachers out there who are right thinking who abhor the message that is being subsidized with their taxes and also with their deuce that are being confiscated by these big labor big business...
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behavior of unions in wisconsin, and it should be -- well, if you're a union member, you ought to be ashamed of the behavior of your union brothers. there's a democratic process, the people of michigan have elected representatives and an elected governor. they've made a choice to change the law and take away this crazy monopoly that lets unions force people to be members. i once had to be a member of a union. i hated it because they made me do things i didn't want to do. it's an inherently corrupt kind of organization to say you have to belong to a union to have a job. and the fact that the president gets into the middle of this and emboldens these people and they're tearing down tents and threatening people, it's ridiculous. and the president ought to stand up and take responsibility for it. alisyn: leslie, what do you think about him weighing in on this controversy? >> i think it's necessary. i mean, you have the president of the united states who said let's bail out the auto industry, whose hub is the of michigan, and they have been successful. for him to be talking about the econ
behavior of unions in wisconsin, and it should be -- well, if you're a union member, you ought to be ashamed of the behavior of your union brothers. there's a democratic process, the people of michigan have elected representatives and an elected governor. they've made a choice to change the law and take away this crazy monopoly that lets unions force people to be members. i once had to be a member of a union. i hated it because they made me do things i didn't want to do. it's an inherently...
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unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not? >> michigan could soon be a right-to-work state. will others follow? joining us now is uaw member and spokesman for the michigan freedom-to-work coalition brian penebaker. you are a line worker right now, correct? >> that's right i'm assembly worker at the sterling axle plant in sterling heights. >> tell us what your reaction is to governor snyder's willingness, desire and push to make michigan a right-to-work state? >> well, what he said is exactly true. up until now, workers in michigan, if you hire in at a shop that has union representation, you were forced to become a member of the union. but about 35 or 40% of the workers are conservatives that vote republican and they don't agree with all the union's political activities so we have always wanted our ability to not join the union and not be forced to pay dues. and now we are going
unions. not about collective bargaining. this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't people have the opportunity to say they want to belong or not? >> michigan could soon be a right-to-work state. will others follow? joining us now is uaw member and spokesman for the michigan freedom-to-work coalition brian penebaker. you are a line worker right now, correct? >> that's right i'm assembly worker at the sterling axle plant in sterling heights. >> tell us what your...
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they signed the bill prohibiting unions from requiring workers to pay dues. member or not. >> few things symbolize the economy more than the unfinished construction projects in new york city. each began with hope and promise and ran head first to environment filled with uncertainty. >> they are empty monument to bad economy. the developers have been left incomplete until they secure financing. they say the institutional construction lending has not bounced back from the 2008 economic crisis. >> they run out of money or combination of running low on money and not having enough sales where the condominium or co-op sales or the market for rentals doesn't appear to be strong enough to justify completion of the project. >> right now, the city says there are 691 star projects. number by 17%. half are 45% stalled since 2009. try and kick start construction, american institute of architect has a web site where they pitch the project to potential investors and by pass the banks. other cities have seen the housing construction rebounds by as much as 18%. all signs of a
they signed the bill prohibiting unions from requiring workers to pay dues. member or not. >> few things symbolize the economy more than the unfinished construction projects in new york city. each began with hope and promise and ran head first to environment filled with uncertainty. >> they are empty monument to bad economy. the developers have been left incomplete until they secure financing. they say the institutional construction lending has not bounced back from the 2008...
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you can stay in the union. a lot of people in wisconsin decided i don't want to stay in the union. the argument of the union we'll negotiate it and get you better wages and those not in the union will benefit. that's the situation. >> steve: absolutely. >> brian: you choose thot fonegotiate. >> steve: democrats and the left are terrified that the right to work movement will spread all over the counselry. why? union dues are the life blood of the democratic party . for workers who want a choose. which would you rather live in a right to work late where the unemployment is 6.9 or not right to work state where unemployment is higher. mr. krauthammer talked about the future of union. >> the fact is gloir days of 40s and 50s and 60s. uaw gave the workers the highest wages . that was the only industrial country that came out of the second world war in. europe was on its knees and japan was rubble. we thought that was the natural order of things. now we are world competition, we ran into bankruptcy. chrysler now twice . we see it in the southern states where the plants are. they were not
you can stay in the union. a lot of people in wisconsin decided i don't want to stay in the union. the argument of the union we'll negotiate it and get you better wages and those not in the union will benefit. that's the situation. >> steve: absolutely. >> brian: you choose thot fonegotiate. >> steve: democrats and the left are terrified that the right to work movement will spread all over the counselry. why? union dues are the life blood of the democratic party . for workers...
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but jonas it right, a lot of cities like detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminished and detroit is a great example, people leaving the city now for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell, they mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- i don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did you a solid and unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i don't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jonas made the right point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform pension programs. and many states and governments are doing that. in the short-term, however, it's another question when you're in an economically very difficult time
but jonas it right, a lot of cities like detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminished and detroit is a great example, people leaving the city now for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell, they mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- i don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did you a solid and...
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but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit is bankrupt. other cities have declared bankruptcy. they are gone. it's debatable whether those union pensions are in pact paid. if you are looking over the cliff, the municipal debt and the state debt cliff, you are right on the edge of serious problem for states and cities all across the country. detroit has said we are talking bailout. that's a huge question. martha: stuart, thank you. it seems like we are standing on a plateau and there are cliffs all around. in 2011, 13 cities filed for bankruptcy. that's the highest annual level we have seen in
but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit...